04/21/2004 07:45 AM House W&M

HB 493-LONG TERM FISCAL PLAN                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0129                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 493, "An Act  relating to adoption and revision of                                                               
a long-term fiscal plan for the State of Alaska."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER explained  that the  purpose of  the meeting  is to                                                               
solve a parliamentary  dilemma from the last meeting  when a vote                                                               
was taken to  move the committee substitute (CS) for  HB 493 from                                                               
committee.  Five  members were present and the  motion carried by                                                               
a vote of  4 to 1.   However, the chair originally  ruled that it                                                               
would  take  the full  five  members  to  move  the bill  out,  a                                                               
parliamentary issue  was raised  challenging that point,  and the                                                               
chair acquiesced  with the intention  of getting  a parliamentary                                                               
ruling,  he  related.    Though there  is  some  latitude  within                                                               
Mason's Rules  for a minority  of the  committee to move  a bill,                                                               
the long-standing  procedure in  the body  here, and  a procedure                                                               
Chair Hawker said he wishes to  endorse is that it does require a                                                               
majority of the committee to report a bill out of committee.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER noted  the arrival of Representative  Weyhrauch.  He                                                               
asked for  a motion to  rescind the  earlier vote to  report CSHB
 out of committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  moved [to  rescind the motion  from April                                                               
16 to report  the CS for HB 493,  Version 23-LS1765\H, Utermohle,                                                               
3/18/04,  out  of committee].    There  being no  objection,  the                                                               
motion to report CSHB 493 out of committee was rescinded.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  if  a new  motion  is needed  to                                                               
adopt the  proposed CS, or  if there were enough  members present                                                               
at the last meeting to do that.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SAMUELS replied that the CS was legitimately adopted.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0304                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  moved to  report CSHB 493,  Version 23-                                                               
LS1765\H, Utermohle,  3/18/04, out  of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG objected.  He said  he thinks a fiscal plan is                                                               
needed, but he said the elements  of the plan should be included.                                                               
He said he  would vote for a plan that  contained the elements of                                                               
a plan.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG replied  that he has nothing  to add and                                                               
that the bill speaks for itself.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER  noted  that  he   has  grave  concerns  about  the                                                               
inability to achieve the objectives stated in the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Weyhrauch, Kohring,                                                               
Moses,  Wilson, Samuels,  and  Gruenberg voted  in  favor of  the                                                               
motion to report CSHB 493  out of committee.  Representatives Ogg                                                               
and  Hawker  voted against  it.    Therefore, CSHB  493(W&M)  was                                                               
reported out of the House Special  Committee on Ways and Means by                                                               
a vote of 6-2.